tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post4046506760722194927..comments2023-10-29T05:29:58.599-04:00Comments on Right-Side-of-Lowell: Pulling the PinUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-65056488983585129132012-11-19T11:47:52.079-05:002012-11-19T11:47:52.079-05:00There is a lot we don't know about this whole ...There is a lot we don't know about this whole thing and as I have said on these pages before, again and again, Ms Rice is not guilty of lying, but of being the mouthpiece of the Administration. The interesting question in that regard is who changed the talking points.<br /><br />But, as Renee notes, there was the blame the video story being played out and given our Bill of Rights I still find that troubling. There is more to learn about this and I am not sure the US Congress can do the job (I give Senator Diane Feinstein credit for trying, along with Senators McCain and Graham), but then I am not convinced an Independent Commission will do the job either.<br /><br />And when <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/18/Scheiffer-Not-Sure-Benghazi-Was-Terrorism" rel="nofollow">Reporter Bob Schieffer is still suggesting on 18 November that it might have been the video</a> and not the planned terrorist attack, we don't have a national consensus.<br /><br />Regards — CliffC R Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10563658418464959198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-55263473453935074432012-11-19T11:47:51.550-05:002012-11-19T11:47:51.550-05:00There is a lot we don't know about this whole ...There is a lot we don't know about this whole thing and as I have said on these pages before, again and again, Ms Rice is not guilty of lying, but of being the mouthpiece of the Administration. The interesting question in that regard is who changed the talking points.<br /><br />But, as Renee notes, there was the blame the video story being played out and given our Bill of Rights I still find that troubling. There is more to learn about this and I am not sure the US Congress can do the job (I give Senator Diane Feinstein credit for trying, along with Senators McCain and Graham), but then I am not convinced an Independent Commission will do the job either.<br /><br />And when <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/18/Scheiffer-Not-Sure-Benghazi-Was-Terrorism" rel="nofollow">Reporter Bob Schieffer is still suggesting on 18 November that it might have been the video</a> and not the planned terrorist attack, we don't have a national consensus.<br /><br />Regards — CliffC R Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10563658418464959198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-28148078893011525922012-11-19T10:50:49.715-05:002012-11-19T10:50:49.715-05:00NYT knew the story and reported on 9/13, two days ...NYT knew the story and reported on 9/13, two days prior to Rice speaking on the Sunday news shows.<br /><br /> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/world/middleeast/us-envoy-to-libya-is-reported-killed.xml<br /><br />" American and European officials said that while many details about the attack remained unclear, the assailants seemed organized, well trained and heavily armed, and they appeared to have at least some level of advance planning. But the officials cautioned that it was too soon to tell whether the attack was related to the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks."<br /><br />For only 9/13 the whole NYT story gives great detail how the video protests played into ' a cover' for the attackers. Also the story gives great testimony how wonderful Mr. Stevens was in the Benghazi community.<br /><br />Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-68423130560356510062012-11-19T10:22:08.572-05:002012-11-19T10:22:08.572-05:00Trying to hang Rice for the message she was instru...Trying to hang Rice for the message she was instructed to deliver is stupid. For one thing, it would leave a bad precedent for members of future administrations, any intelligent candidate for which would better decline employment knowing the likely consequences. (We need better people to continue to want to serve). For another, it rewards scapegoating and the very behavior that caused the obfuscation in the first place.<br /><br />I also don't buy the "she should have known better" canard. That gets us back to yellow cake uranium and a whole litany of obvious lies that have been told in the interest of "national security" since the birth of our great nation. The caveats were in all the communications. "We need to investigate before conclusions are drawn". Yeah, the "we don't think it's terrorism right now" thing was a lie, but I'm guessing that the CIA pursuit of the attackers (at least one of which I've read has been assassinated) would have been deemed easier if they didn't know right away what we knew about them.<br /><br />Either way, Rice's candidacy for State shouldn't be judged based on this silly little he-said-she-said exercise.Craig Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09824029248081902170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-72830871814185963392012-11-19T10:12:30.347-05:002012-11-19T10:12:30.347-05:00How does that go? When you've lost Maureen Do...How does that go? When you've lost Maureen Dowd….<br /><br />Regards — CliffC R Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10563658418464959198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046628493283608233.post-31760148668661967282012-11-19T09:21:51.814-05:002012-11-19T09:21:51.814-05:00From Maureen Dowd of the NYT
"An Africa expe... <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opinion/sunday/dowd-is-rice-cooked.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1353334332-q8kgYLaHsnmH/Dnai4D/Eg" rel="nofollow">From Maureen Dowd of the NYT</a><br /><br />"An Africa expert, Rice should have realized that when a gang showed up with R.P.G.’s and mortars in a place known as a hotbed of Qaeda sympathizers and Islamic extremist training camps, it was not anger over a movie. She should have been savvy enough to wonder why the wily Hillary was avoiding the talk shows.<br /><br />The president’s fierce defense of Rice had virile flare. But he might have been better off leaving it to aides, so he did not end up going mano a mano with his nemesis John McCain on an appointment he hasn’t even made (though now Obama might feel compelled to, just to prove that he can’t be pushed around), and so he could focus on fiscal cliff bipartisanship.<br /><br />His argument that Rice “had nothing to do with Benghazi,” raises the question: Then why was she the point person? "<br /><br /><br />Why get upset with McCain and others, it was whoever modified the talking points that mistreated Rice?<br /><br />It is horrible for Rice, and do I have a bit of sympathy for her. Cabinet members must follow orders, even though their expertise is crucial for the President to make decisions. <br /><br /><br />Rice took one for the Obama Presidency, unknowingly or not. The intelligence was right, what was the government interest in not tell us something else.<br /><br />If you're going to lie to the public, which sometimes they might have to, then it should be a for a good reason. <br /><br />Still wondering on that. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.com